and new york and boston and in the real america? absolutely. here in washington you don't hear anybody say that. what this gentleman said is plainly untrue and yet five years after obama's -- into obama's presidency the opposition to him is even more deeply entrenched and there is not any kind of recognition he is a legitimate commander-in-chief. it is just some of the comments you hear are pretty outrageous. >> again, i think you said there was just the one person that you talked to who was bothered by the incident is that right? >> that's right. his name is perry. he is the one who videotaped the incident and that is the recording that we've seen. >> what else did you learn about that event that wasn't captiure on the grainy youtube video? >> there were mullet pr people involved. the most telling part of the event was it was a large rodeo arena, standing room only i was told, and the crowd was hooting and hollering and there was a lot of enthusiasm and energy kind of cheering this on. this gentleman perry said it felt like a kkk rally. he fel